|
|
Post by juliporiginals on Jul 19, 2021 9:53:25 GMT
Julip Live show 2021 - Cancelled
I know this probably won't come as too much of a shock to most people but we have unfortunately made the decision to cancel the Julip Live show for a second year.
Although the restrictions are lifting today, I just don't think it's safe or sensible to carry on as if everything is back to normal and as the lockdown rules can change in a heart beat, I feel it's best if we cancel it for this year, although we will keep our fingers and toes crossed for a better out come next year!
However, it's not all gloom and doom as with the fantastic help of one of our members, we are going to hold another Julip Live Photo Show, more details for this will follow shortly, it will be held on Facebook and a separate group will be specially set up once we have sorted out the schedule but anyone who is not a Facebook member is welcome to enter and details of how to do so will be posted at the same time as the schedule, so please keep a look out for that.
Unfortunately, I can't promise any 'Spares' this year as I have had so many orders but we will see what we can do, even if it's a small one or just pets but again more details will follow should we manage to get anything sorted.
I'm sorry for any disappointment this has caused but I don't think it was totally unexpected and hopefully we will be back next year better than ever!
|
|
|
|
Post by astudyinscarlet on Jul 19, 2021 11:03:11 GMT
I'm not personally bothered about the live show since I never go to those anyway, also I doubted it would be happening this year anyway, but I have to admit I'm more disappointed that every photo show now is done through facebook, really it does exclude those of us who don't use facebook. Even with an option to email photos or something there's no enjoyment for me in entering when we can't see the other entries or comments on them or anything (I know there's probably no perfect way to run them that can involve everyone, I'm just sad that this is the way every photo show and almost every other contest (as well as nearly all sales posts and everything else) has gone these days).
|
|
|
|
Post by stacey on Jul 19, 2021 15:52:35 GMT
I'm not personally bothered about the live show since I never go to those anyway, also I doubted it would be happening this year anyway, but I have to admit I'm more disappointed that every photo show now is done through facebook, really it does exclude those of us who don't use facebook. Even with an option to email photos or something there's no enjoyment for me in entering when we can't see the other entries or comments on them or anything (I know there's probably no perfect way to run them that can involve everyone, I'm just sad that this is the way every photo show and almost every other contest (as well as nearly all sales posts and everything else) has gone these days). It’s really disappointing as a show holder that we can’t find a solution for everyone, but unfortunately we’ve reached a point where there’s significantly more people that can’t work the forum and Facebook is much easier for a lot of people  Out of interest, if we could make the platform work for ‘fun’ shows, would something like www.omhps.com work for those who object to Facebook? I’m not opposed to trying something like this in the future if it would work for more people  |
|
|
|
Post by astudyinscarlet on Jul 19, 2021 18:54:43 GMT
I'm not personally bothered about the live show since I never go to those anyway, also I doubted it would be happening this year anyway, but I have to admit I'm more disappointed that every photo show now is done through facebook, really it does exclude those of us who don't use facebook. Even with an option to email photos or something there's no enjoyment for me in entering when we can't see the other entries or comments on them or anything (I know there's probably no perfect way to run them that can involve everyone, I'm just sad that this is the way every photo show and almost every other contest (as well as nearly all sales posts and everything else) has gone these days). It’s really disappointing as a show holder that we can’t find a solution for everyone, but unfortunately we’ve reached a point where there’s significantly more people that can’t work the forum and Facebook is much easier for a lot of people Out of interest, if we could make the platform work for ‘fun’ shows, would something like www.omhps.com work for those who object to Facebook? I’m not opposed to trying something like this in the future if it would work for more people Yeah, I know, though it does also seem to be a case of the likes of facebook and instagram being largely responsible for the downfall of forums in the first place. I mean I know the total mess photobucket turned into and flickr limiting free accounts and so on didn't help either, but this is just part of a bigger issue really, barely anybody seems to use the forums nowadays at all. But it is effectively excluding the rest of us from everything and made so much stuff totally inaccessible to us, and also it's made it so I don't want to run my own photoshows any more either since with so many people not really using anything but facebook barely anybody wants to enter them. So it has also spoilt that for me too, and just sort of... the overall model horse hobby experience, it's all been spoilt because of this shift to (primarily) facebook. I'm not really understanding how OMHPS works currently but maybe? In principle anyway I don't have an issue with using specific model-related sites, it's the trying to shift everything onto a general social media site that actually makes everything totally inaccessible to a lot of us that I hate. (Sorry, we kind of hijacked this thread here. I'm not trying to blame anyone or have a go at anyone or anything, I am just... really really sad about the way the hobby and 'community' has gone. Especially when I keep seeing people commenting on their blogs and things about how the pandemic kind of brought the model horse community back to life and how there was this huge surge in photoshows and model contests and everything, but I have missed everything like that because all of the actual stuff much of which I probably would have loved to have been involved with only ever happens on facebook, and that's left me feeling more excluded and isolated from the hobby than ever before.) |
|
|
|
Post by dawnith on Jul 19, 2021 21:07:26 GMT
Just a thought, I wonder if we could do something on blogger If we set up a blog (free) each 'post' could be a class. People would only have to join blogger then, I could give it a go if you wanted x
|
|
|
|
Post by samantha on Jul 19, 2021 22:43:33 GMT
(Sorry, we kind of hijacked this thread here. I'm not trying to blame anyone or have a go at anyone or anything, I am just... really really sad about the way the hobby and 'community' has gone. Especially when I keep seeing people commenting on their blogs and things about how the pandemic kind of brought the model horse community back to life and how there was this huge surge in photoshows and model contests and everything, but I have missed everything like that because all of the actual stuff much of which I probably would have loved to have been involved with only ever happens on facebook, and that's left me feeling more excluded and isolated from the hobby than ever before.) There is MHU for good old fashioned postal and photo shows which I’ve rejoined and enjoy entering. I’ve started to use OMHPS and other than a few annoying user interface issues it is pretty good. The downside is, at the moment, there are very few shows for Bendies. |
|
|
|
Post by juliporiginals on Jul 20, 2021 8:54:46 GMT
I have noticed that fewer and fewer people post photos on the 'Model of the Month' competition and I know it's because it's difficult to add photos onto the thread, I've always said I'm happy to post anyone's photo should they wish to enter but it is definitely getting less, I do think that forums are dying a bit of a death, I have noticed it with other forums as well which is such a shame.
I am sorry about the photo show being on Facebook and I know that it's not ideal but at the moment it seems the only way to hold it, unless anyone can come up with a better alternative.
|
|
|
|
Post by eldabee on Jul 20, 2021 12:44:39 GMT
Re OMHPS I think if the administrators were to be asked to set up specific Julip/Equorum/Rubbernedz etc categories they would be happy to do so.
Re Facebook, I have two accounts. One for people I know In Real Life (family and what not) and a separate one under a psuedonym for the important stuff - my hobbies!!! It saves a crossover of the two worlds. Mostly.
Re the Forum competitions, the only thing really that puts me off entering is the whole debacle of having to load photos to Flickr and then spending another 20 minutes trying to get the correct formula to display the photo on the Forum. I have previously had Laura do it on my behalf, but I never win so I tend to only enter if the numbers are low to bump them up a bit!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by deedee on Jul 20, 2021 14:03:21 GMT
I have a Facebook account and I use it solely for my hobbies - the Julip site and a few others dedicated to miniatures, sewing and embroidery. I am not really interested in having Facebook ‘friends’ as such, or posting random stuff about my life so this works really well for me. All the sites I follow are listed under my ‘groups’ so I can access them with ease and without any of the dreaded adverts! I find that it’s so easy to upload photos on Facebook too - I’ve never managed to work out how on here. What I’m really trying to say is, if anyone is reluctant to open a Facebook account due to how they perceive what ‘being on Facebook’ entails, maybe just give it a go? Put all your settings to ‘private’, don’t upload any personal info you don’t want to share, then try looking at a few hobby groups (starting with ‘Just Julips’ of course haha - hours of glorious browsing to be done there 😊). It’s easily deleted if you don’t like what you see/find.
|
|
|
|
Post by george on Jul 21, 2021 16:38:31 GMT
Put all your settings to ‘private’, don’t upload any personal info you don’t want to share, then try looking at a few hobby groups (starting with ‘Just Julips’ of course haha - hours of glorious browsing to be done there 😊). It’s easily deleted if you don’t like what you see/find. I did exactly this once, every possible setting to private and not a thing posted on my account, which had a fake name and none of the biography-type information filled in. Didn't visit anyone else's profile, or any groups, just let the account sit there, and checked it now and then - just my own page, no browsing. Within days it was suggesting 'people I might know', and although a few were harmless friendly model horsey people I'd have been happy to connect my account to IF I'd carried on using it, some of them were people I knew and did NOT want to find me. Without me doing anything, it had figured out who I was and where I was and started suggesting some of the dreadful people who've made my life hell and are the exact reason I need an escapist hobby with a bit of privacy - and if it was showing their accounts to me, it might've been showing my account to them at the same time. Deleted it, and will never try again. I've been on the Facebook website since, but only to enter shows when the organiser has kindly let me sign on using their ID, so the only thing it can find about me rather than the other person is a slightly different posting location as if the original account owner has gone out for the day, which doesn't matter as my laptop never knows where it is and picks a random town anywhere in a 100-mile radius  For people who are just shy, or not into social media, it might be possible to make it private enough, and you can feel like you've hidden enough to be comfortable. For people with any history of abuse and bullying and stalking, it's just not safe - the last thing we want is people tracking us back to our 'safe place' like hobby forums, harassing people who know and like us now, and destroying friendships, security, and trust. There's a lot of us who simplify by saying 'I don't want to be on Facebook', but there's a lot more to it than that, long-standing mental health issues and a huge need for privacy and knowing you're invisible to all but your trusted friends, which thanks to the way Facebook works, can't be got round by using a pseudonym and only joining hobby groups. I'm still able to post images to the forum, because I understand hosting and can always enter shows held here, and model of the month, etc. So I'm not left out of that side of things. But day to day chatting models with friends? Nope. Seeing their new arrivals? Only if they post here too. Live shows? I occasionally find out about them long after they've happened. There's a world of showing and customising and creativity which is entirely run in Facebook groups, or like NaNoPaiMo at least needs full personal info which I'm not happy sharing. The model horse hobby has moved away into a different kind of community, a better fit for the majority but there's a few left behind and left out. We get it, we're the odd ones out. If we weren't such useless misfits and did what everyone else suggests, we could be as 'in' as we ever were. It's my own fault I'm missing out on so many community events and this supposed new togetherness in lockdown. And so I feel bad just for feeling bad about it, as I KNOW 100% it's never been anyone's intention to exclude me, or run away and hide in a gang I can't join, that's absolutely not what's going on here. It's just a deep sigh and a sadness that the hobby's moved on to where I'm not comfortable to follow it, and I do my best to stay involved by still posting my new arrivals on here, and reading/commenting any time people decide to post here instead of only on their own social media. I made my model blog to try to keep talking more about the models I buy and customise, and share reviews of new releases, but because it's not social media with the typical connections of Following and Friend-ing, not many people really see it, so it's mostly me talking to myself - which is still better than not me talking model-horse at all Forums are becoming a thing of the past, like mailing lists did before them, and actual-letter-in-the-post clubs before that. Although I'll never leave J-club, and I'm sure LOADS of people wouldn't delete their accounts and never come back, either, it's clear that spending time on forums chatting has gone out of fashion, as people use the internet in more modern ways, and now we mainly use the boards here for news, spares, and sales. One day, people will be sitting posting about how 'before FB' everybody went on these strange model horse themed websites called 'proboards', and talked to each other and showed photos, like it's some quaint bit of hobby history, and you'll get someone saying 'I remember doing that! We all had avatars and signatures and photobucket accounts!', and those long-forgotten words will raise a little ripple of nostalgia and laughter |
|
|
|
Post by eldabee on Jul 21, 2021 19:01:50 GMT
Ah George, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with Facebook. I would be happy to create a generic account and share the log in and password to those who would like to enter competitions or view posts etc. If that would help/work?
|
|
|
|
Post by george on Jul 21, 2021 20:24:55 GMT
I'm not sure how private it would stay, with a lot of people using it, and bringing in their own outside activity and connections. Last time I was signed in as someone else to enter a show, my mum was on Facebook on her phone in the same room as me, and she started reading out names and saying 'Do you know these people? It's telling me I might know them!' - they were all Julippy people, and some not even members of the same photo show group the borrowed account was in. It just knew these accounts were linked, via Julip groups and mutual friendships, to my activity on the same IP address as my mum's real account, and thought she probably knew them too. My mum's fine, she's met quite a few of you over the years so it's not too much an invasion of your privacy that she's seen what your usernames are, and she didn't bother to click anyone once I'd explained why it suddenly threw a whole load of people at her! But it just creeps me out, the way it sees these connections and passes them around. Facebook is always THERE, suggesting you sign in using it. Once you've signed in, it remembers you forever, even if you've signed out, or deleted the account. It knows what other sites you've been on, what your usernames and email addresses are, and throws it all together thinking it's being helpful. Several of us using an ID, even an anonymous one, would link too many accounts and contacts together for me to dare use it, I think. Just by being in the same room as my mum, it may well try suggesting her old workmates to the rest of the people in the group, or like last time I made an actual account myself, drag up people I'm hoping never find me, and introduce them to Julips and the model hobby via suggestions, and I'd hate to have to leave after all this time. I know some people will read this, and think I'm just being paranoid and over-dramatic and should just get on Facebook and be sociable, but if that's how you think, then you've never had the trouble I've had with being hated and victimised. It doesn't just go away if you smile and surround yourself with friends. You have to start over from scratch and build up safety slowly over the years, and it only takes one stupid slip to ruin it all. For a lot of us, Facebook is the 'one step too far' which takes it from a happy hobby with likeminded people, to feeling exposed and constantly on edge and pushed so far out of your comfort zone it just isn't fun ever again. I'm glad for all the people who've never had to consider this. But do understand that we're not boycotting Facebook for any silly or trivial reasons, we genuinely don't feel comfortable enough to be there. |
|
|
|
Post by juliporiginals on Jul 23, 2021 8:31:12 GMT
I can totally understand, I resisted going onto Facebook until I took on Julip and then I felt I had to join as most of the activity seemed to be on there rather than the various forums.
I will be trying to keep the forum as active as possible with competitions, Julip news and of course the spares and I just hope that people will join in, I for one would hate to see the forums finish, when I got back into collecting Julips it was where I used to get all my information, drool over everyone else's Julips and met some of the nicest people ever!
|
|
|
|
Post by juliporiginals on Jul 29, 2021 19:17:39 GMT
Just a quick update on the Julip Originals Photo Show, this Facebook group will be opened up for entries on Sunday 1st August 2021, the schedule, any rules and all the albums will be available to be accessed at around 8.00am and the show will close on Monday 20th September 2021 at 11.30 am.
I shall be posting more information on the forum before the show goes live, if you are not a facebook member and would like to enter , please let me know, many thanks
|
|
|
|
Post by juliporiginals on Aug 5, 2021 7:47:02 GMT
The photo show is now open and the schedule and any rules are now on the 'Shows and Competitions' board, good luck to everyone that is entering, I'm really looking forward to seeing all your lovely Julips |
|
